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Will There Be Signs? Feb 17 2012


"But of that day and hour no one knows..." - Matthew 24:36

I am often asked if there will be signs when Jesus comes again. The answer is 'yes." He very clearly teaches about signs of His coming:

  • An increase in false teachers and messiahs. False teaching is contrary to God's written word; we see this today not only in cults, but also inside and outside the church.
  • Wars and rumors of wars. The 20th century was the bloodiest and worst century in all history. What will the 21st century hold?
  • Increase in natural disasters. Earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, famines and floods.
He says these occurrences are like birth pangs. With the onset of labor, birth pangs increase in frequency and intensity as birth approaches. This is very revealing in reflecting on the "signs" of which Jesus speaks.

Yet, He clearly states, "No one knows the time." If someone sets a time, you can be sure he is a false prophet because no one knows the time. We need to be ready all the time. One thing is for sure, however, birth pangs keep increasing. Will you be ready when He comes?

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How come Jesus didn't know when he was coming back? That doesn't seem right to me.

 
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What do you do to get ready for this, wear a sweater?

 
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erik, Jesus did not ever say He did not know.... But, i can tell you this... He wants YOU to be ready when He does... and when that trumpet sounds, and the dead in Christ rise, i will be meetin Him in the air.... i hope you will put some faith into Jesus, He WILL show you if you ask Him... Hes ever listening,,, i look forward to meeting you there....HIS WORD IS THE ONLY TRUTH THERE IS IN THIS EVIL WORLD, JUST DO A LITTLE READING AND YOU WILL SEE, NOT ONLY HAVE THINGS ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED , BUT THE WORST IS COMING..ESPECIALLY FOR NON BELIEVERS.. praying for you....

 
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JCO, no, a sweater is not needed, He says do not worry about what you will wear or what you will eat... Hes got all that taken care of... but you must accept Him and believe He is Gods son, and that He came to this earth and died for you... dont think you will be losing anything, but you WILL be gaining EVERYTHING...

 
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Look at this Girl Go...

You go Baby and when I get out of Line? You can kick my Rear-End Too.

And Erik: Yours came before Mine!!!

 
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Matthew 24:36
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

 
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Well it did not seem Right? And you have the Scripture in Hand?

Why are you attempting to Entrap good folk who just want to Love God?

Jesus was here before you...He owes you No Explanation.

(now--I am going over to Mom's House to be with her--dislocated shoulder underneath a broken arm)

Once you Figure it Out? Get back to us/G

 
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Erik, I know that you are very familiar with Scripture, but I do not know how much you have studied the theology of Christianity.

The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is both deep and mysterious. It has occupied the minds of the greatest biblical thinkers in church history. Augustine, Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, Edwards, and so on..

The best source of a layman's understanding of the the Trinity that I have found is "Father, Son & Holy Spirit - Relationships, Roles & Relevance" by Bruce Ware.

The Three Persons of the Trinity are co-equal, co-eternal and all God. However, they are also eternally in relationship to one another. For instance,the Father begets. The Son was begotten. The Son is eternally submissive to the Father. The Father is eternally loving the Son. The Holy Spirit only does that which is given by the Father and the Son, but has many unique roles in doing this. It goes on and on in a beautiful and complex relationship.

Since the Father sent the Son, and the Son is eternally obedient to the Father, it flows that the Son only does that which the Father directs. This relationship in no way makes them unequal, however. It is a relationship of eternal love and of agreement.

It would not occur to the Son to wonder about the fact that the time of his return was the Father's perogotive. That might bend your mind and mine, but it is in no way contradictory to the doctrine of the Trinitarian God of Christianity.

I wish there were a simple human analogy, but there isn't. Read the little book mentioned above. I probably just confused the issue with my feeble attempt here. :-)

 
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I have been studying the bible everyday for approx. 3yrs, but I have been a follower of Jesus since I was 6wks old. There is nothing new under the sun and as I study Jeremiah it is prophecy of what is going to happen in the end times. What it says is that Satan is coming to Jerusalem as the false Christ and many will be fooled. He is coming peacefully and prosperously and even the athiests are going to believe that he is Jesus. Five months after he arrives the True Christ will be here and we won't meet him in the air. Air means the air we breath, not atmosphere. When He returns we will all, in a blink of an eye, be in spiritual bodies. That will be the first day of the millinium. Those who belong to him will walk with him for a thousand years, teaching the truth of God's word to those who are lost. Then comes judgement day. ps one way of many you will know the false christ is. Jesus died "once" for all and was ressurected,He is not returning in a flesh body. He is in a different dimension, one we can not see. The only way we will be able to see Him is if we are in spiritual bodies as He is. We are in the last days, but those who belong to Him don't have to fear. He says not one hair on your head will be harmed! He is an awesome God and He loves and protects His own. In Christian Love

 
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Purple, I believe if you will read 1 Thessalonians 4th chapter starting with the 13th verse, you will see that yes we will rise to meet the Lord in the air. We will be carried to Heaven for 7 yrs for the Marriage celebration and then we will come back with him to watch him as he defeats the armies of the Antichrist at the Battle of Armegeddon. I beleive you have a good preception of the end times, there is just a little more that you might want to check out. I want to encourage you to do a little more reading on the subjest. Try reading in Daniels writing along with Isaiah, Jeremiah, Thessalonians and then Johns writings in Revelation. The 17th through the 19th chapter of Revelation is also dealing specifically with what you are speaking of. Have a blessed day.

 
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``BUT THE WORST IS COMING..ESPECIALLY FOR NON BELIEVERS..``

Whoa...scary! Now you`ve got me shakin`.

So for non-believers, you wish for bad stuff to happen to them hey...how very Christian of you.

It must be amazing to have all the answers to things you can`t possibly know.

 
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Pre, Post or Awe...

Dispensationalism. The Rapture the Second the First.
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Maybe we all should step-back/Count to Ten/Consider the First Coming...The one where He was Crucified?

The First Coming...

The one where He Hung on a Cross? To Subordinate Himself to the Will of the Father? To not Abolish but to Give meaning...to make sense of the Early Writings. To give them True Meaning through His Work on the Cross. "Cursed is every man who Hangs on a Tree..."

"Christ has redeemed us out of the curse of the law, having become a curse for us, (for it is written, Cursed is every one hanged upon a tree,)"
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We cannot possibly understand the Second Coming before we are made-alive in the First. I think we are in The First Coming of the Lord Jesus. I think the Theologians call it the First Advent? (I'm so Rusty I can't be sure)

Paul wrote to calm the Fears of the Early Church...They were scared for their Friends and Relatives who had Died prior to Christ's Second Return--He did not want them to Worry.

John wrote: "There are many Antichrists--whereby we know these are the Last Days..."
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But then he defined these "Antichrists" by saying "they are those who left us". The Betrayers of The Faith. So we see the Great Falling Away--Not in Numbers exactly but in Attitude.
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Personally? The Passage which Haunts me Daily in the past two years?

"But I chastise my body, and bring it into subjection: lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a castaway..."

I don't know but I just kind of sort of feel like I should Chastise me in Real-Time a little more and my Brothers a little less?

I need to get the First Coming Right prior to going through the Second. Just my Random Thoughts.

 
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And I recommend "Orthodox Corruption of Scripture" by Ehrman and Metzger.

Also "A History of Christian Thought" by Paul Tillich.

Good day.

 
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I labored through Ehrman's book several years ago, along with a few other, delving into the development of the modern Cannon. Yes, there were many heresies that had to be dealt with by the early church. Ehrlman deals with four or five.

In the end, most religious scholars find that the "purity of Scripture" is amazingly sound. That makes sens to me, because God not only inspired them, but he assured the final outcome.

The book I recommended is for someone who wants to understand the Trinity, and in the case of your question, the relationship between the Father and the Son.

I am not particularly interested in books that challenge the validity of Scripture. I put that one to bed long ago. If someone is on that track, then your book is just one that they should read, and they will find it very boring.

 
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The reason I recommend Ehrman's book is that he deals specifically with this passage, as one finds it often altered to leave out the idea that Jesus lacked some knowledge.

The trinity specifically was a product of one faction of Catholics, and the Bible we have today contains many clues to how the concept developed (as manuscripts were altered to support orthodoxy).

 
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Most of the Christian stuff is very disappointing. They expend Herculean effort putting up massive amounts of sophistry but with no 'bottom line' except for 'it's all a mystery'. Yet if you read the higher criticism there is no mystery.
Regarding the passage in question it's quite possible that this was one of the 'sayings of Jesus' that got incorporated into a gospel. The poor author would not have known anything about the Trinity or that this would leave future theologians scratching their heads.

It's inconceivable to think that Jesus was God but was not omniscient. Why would he not be? It makes no sense whatsoever.

 
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"I and my Father are One..."

Gill writes:

But it should be observed, that Christ is both the Son of God, and the son of man,(that is Crucial--my Note)

As the Christians believe; as he is the Son of God, he lay in the bosom of his Father, and was privy to all his secrets, to all his thoughts, purposes, and designs; and as such, he knew the day and hour of judgment, being God omniscient; and in this respect is one with the Father, having the same perfections of power, knowledge, &c.

But then as the Son of Man, He is not of the same nature, and has not the same knowledge; his knowledge of things was derived, communicated, and not infinite;

And(? My Notes) did not reach to all things at once,(that is extraordinarily Crucial--My Notes)

But(? The Son of God and Man--My Notes) was capable of being increased, as it was: and it is with regard to him as the Son of Man, that Jesus speaks of himself in Mark 13:32;

Whereas He is here treating of his Divine Sonship, and Almighty Power;

Wherefore considered in the relation of the Son of God, and as possessed of the same perfections with God..."

He Knows Now...He is the One who will Do It.

 
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Ok Erik. You are still on the same old page. No one was ever argued into believing. Have a pleasant day.

 
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And you know Grant? That was not even the Point of the Pastor's Devotion this Morning...(OK Yesterday).

Bryant Wrote:

"We need to be ready all the time. One thing is for sure, however, birth pangs keep increasing. Will you be ready when He comes?"

He was talking about Signs and they are all over Us! Bullseye Again...

Jesus rose to the Right Hand of the Father--He is Fully Informed. He became the Son of Man and yet never lost status as the Son of God.

We are not Forced by the Lord to give up One Thing to get Another...Just like Jesus.

It is not about the Elucidations of so-called Whatevers.
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Don't you find it Ironic? The Two Old Goats out here who want everyperson to Go to Heaven?

Are the two Reformed Old Geezes who just want to Toss the Ball every Once in a While?
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Bryant has talked about the "Trash Heap of Humanity" and "Great Examples of What you should not Be..."

In my way of Thinking: Sometimes we simply have to Stop and Ask the Lord...

"Am I Vessel Fitted for Destruction?"
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I don't Know but something tells me other people will not give me the Right Answer.

This will Continue--let them Argue--We don't Need It.

 
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Anyhow....I'll wear a sweater.

 
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If one can not be convinced of the correctness of an idea by means of logic and evidence then that idea must be considered extremely dubious.

 
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If you are not convinced by the apologetics of the great Christian writers of the last 20 centuries, then I have little chance of convincing you. You flatter yourself as an arbiter of reason.

The bottom line is that you are not open to Christianity. That is your choice, or your destiny, depending on one's beliefs.

 
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I'm open to Christianity. I'm open to anything that makes sense.

Are you open to non-belief?

 
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My(our)opinion is that non-belief is less logical and less evidence based than our beliefs. You believe the opposite, which is fair enough as has been noted many times. At times there does not seem to be a similar tolerance back from you and I understand much of your frustration where Christianity has been presented by false witness. That does not however negate the truth as we hold it.

Arguments have rattled back and forth on both sides and noone on the message board has apparently shifted position even remotely.

Like Grant, I was very much in agreement with recent comments of yours regarding the fatherless in society and the impact of that. I have been fatherless all of my life and so of course it touched a particularly personal chord, although the issues differ for females no doubt.

There may indeed be very many things to agree with you on regarding the state of the world we live in and what should be or could be done about it.

We part company when it comes to your view of our view (I have to add that because you say you don't believe in any God I think) and these boards are strong evidence that 'we' each remain impervious to each other.

All the best.

 
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I am very open to non-belief, if that means "do I accept the fact that there are many non-believers". Jesus said that many are called, but few are chosen. Yes, you have every right to reject Christianity.

My belief is very rational to me, just as your "belief" is very rational to you. I am certain that you are very convinced of your position. You have made that abundantly clear.

 
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NO. It has nothing to do with "accepting the fact there are non-believers".

I am open to believe in Christianity if there is sufficient evidence for its claims.

I'm asking you if you can make that same statement about non-belief in Christianity.

 
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I have done that. I am fully persuaded by all of the evidence I have heard and seen.

'Nuff said...

 
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But see there is the Crux of the Biscuit right there. With Christians "Faith is Substance and Evidence..." Hebrews 11:1

It is by Faith which is a Gift from God and not of any of our Posts or Custodial Periods or Gifts or Sacrifices or Losses or Gains or Tithes or Attendences or Marriages or Divorces or this, thus and the others.

Faith is the Evidence--It is a Gift from God...I'm not saying you don't have it...but that is All there Is until Jesus Returns--it is a Gift from the Holy Ghost.

I have been through everything except Death in this World Erik...From the Highest Highs to Living the Lows right now(oh poor pitiful gunk).

No--That is just the Way it Is and it is because the Faith the Lord has given me is what allows me to make an Honest Judgement on these things. God is Right--I am Wrong.
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I still believe you are basically a Good Person trying to do the right thing but you will never truly believe without Faith.

Take care my Man.

 
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There is no evidence for Christianity, just as there is no evidence for any religion ever invented.

Religions are manmade, all of them. And gullible people don't choose to see that, or want to see that, for whatever reason. Instead, they would rather surrender their high-order mental faculties to a clergyman, and not think for themselves. This is a shame really.

How can you live in a world where you allow other people (pick your church of choice here) to do all the thinking for you? How convenient, you don’t have to lift a single brain cell.

 
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Cat: I am very sorry about that. Sometimes Dad just can't make it through things.

My Daughter told me one time(after spending years with her when her Mom was in the Road)

She said: "Dad I would not have even known you if you had not come up here to live during this time..."

Then my son came to live with me but I had a room ready for Sissy too...
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Cat I am not Bragging but I can tell you this...to Parent a Daughter or a Son outside of the Marital Residence and in Divorce is a Fight of Fights.
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It Broke me Dear in every way and I will not get any Medals for it...but I will tell you this?

I you had been my Daughter? Old Dad would have Been There--Through Hell or High-Water.

You are turning out so Well? Some One has been around Fathering You/G

 
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Faith is not evidence. Faith is the opposite of evidence.

"faith is believing what you know ain't so."
~Mark Twain

 
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And Sam Clemens was only Two Fathoms Deep and hid behind the self-absorbed Front of Mark Twain.

Liked him Bunches but He never was Jesus...thought he was a Great Guy? But he never Hung on a Cross.

"My Comments for this Devotional have been Disabled..."
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We have to Move On. I'm getting Old/:)

 
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Thing is, all religious people deep down, and VERY deep down, know the myths and fables aren't true. They all know this. But they keep going to church and such to try to talk themselves back into it. Why else would you need to go all the time if you are so sure? The constant praying, attending services, singing song, bible readings, and so forth, are just ways to reinforce the neural misfiring.

If you are 100% certain it’s all true, why not just end your life now? If you are going to spend an eternity in heaven, who really cares about the 70 or 80 years here? They seem kind of trivial don’t they? I’m sure after you are on year 1,564,234,132,457,918,321,446,213 in heaven, you won’t even think about your 71 years here. Since it’s all eternity, you might as well just go there now.

You don't because you know it's not true.

 
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The fact of the matter is this, it doesn't matter what I think or do not think, after this life is over we will either face a real God or we will just cease to exist in your view, in the view of the believers, and the Bible we will face a real God and then we will be judged, then we will either be welcomed into heaven or we will be cast into the Lake of Fire. I believe I will keep following the Bible, not because I am scared, but rather because it has never been actually proven wrong. Sorry, your quick rants of other non-believers have not pursuaded anyone to walk away from our God.

 
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Like the Republicans debating late night, you can't answer basic simple questions.

I'll ask again,

If you are 100% convinced in God and an eternal Heaven, why not just go there now? Why wait?

But I know the answer - it's because we do not want to die, no one does. Which is why humans keep inventing this religious stuff to get around the "problem" of death.

The Bible has never been proven wrong? Come on... I think Erik has been demonstrating to you for years now how the Bible has been shown to be incorrect in many many ways...

 
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Thanks to JCO for bringing up the fact that I have shown only about 10,000 times the Bible is wrong.

That's why I am Muuuuslim. Because Holy Quran has never been proven wrong.

Salaam aleikum.

 
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Hi Erik, that's sooo cool which mosque do you attend?

 

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