
When Does a Baby Become a Baby? Jan 17 2010
"I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made..." - Psalm 139:14a,16
About half of the people in the United States say they are pro-life and the other half say they are pro-choice. How is this affiliation determined? For the most part, if you consider a fetus nothing but a blob of tissue within a woman's body, you become pro-choice. If you believe that a fetus is a human being, you are pro-life. Who is right? Let's see what God says.
The Psalmist says, "For You formed my inward parts; you wove me in my mother's womb." And then he goes on to say, "Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; and in Your book were written all the days that were ordained for me, when as yet there was not one of them." God is the Creator of life, and each life is formed within a woman's womb. Scripture is clear: a fetus is most certainly a human being from the moment of conception.
Some say that a fetus is nothing but a blob. God says a fetus is a person. Whose conclusion do you think is correct?
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Yes, report it NevermindGod is right he is the creator of all human mankind.Life begins at conception for there are many scriptural references for conception
Isa 49:1, Jer 1:5, Psalm 139:13. But because you asked when does a baby become a baby the answer lies within terminology.
Terminology speaking a foetus does not become a baby until it is born. In the womb the human child is defined as a foetus, outside of the womb, the human child is defined as a baby.
There is more to debate here. If I offended anyone with my statement I apologize. I do not support abortion, I do believe that life begins at conception. Many people on here will ask questions with a skewed slant so as to trap people. I believe that when a woman is pregnant that it is a human child. So when I saw the question – ‘ when does a baby become a baby?’ I saw a trapping question. So I went to the dictionary, got the definition of the two. I meant no disrespect. Everything starts off small as some say ' a foetus is nothing but a blob 'Babies are created between 2 humans.
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Yes, report it NevermindAnd further to lizbeth's point, "pro-choice" is a misnomer. Pro-choice means Pro-Abortion. You can't straddle the fence here.
I believe that abortion is THE great moral issue of our lives. It is an offense to God and an abomination. But, it is not an unforgivable sin, lest anyone think I am being judgemental. All judgement hase been granted to Jesus on the last day.
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Yes, report it NevermindLife begins "at the moment of conception." Can you please define the term "conception."
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Yes, report it NevermindREALLY, Erik?
con·cep·tion (kən-sěp'shən)
n.
Formation of a viable zygote by the union of the male sperm and female ovum; fertilization.
The entity formed by the union of the male sperm and female ovum; an embryo or zygote.
The ability to form or understand mental concepts and abstractions.
Something conceived in the mind; a concept, plan, design, idea, or thought. See Synonyms at idea.
The ability to form or understand mental concepts and abstractions.
Something conceived in the mind; a concept, plan, design, idea, or thought. See Synonyms at idea.
Archaic A beginning; a start.
[Middle English concepcioun, from Old French conception, from Latin conceptiō, conceptiōn-, from conceptus; see concept.]
con·cep'tion·al adj., con·cep'tive adj., con·cep'tive·ly adv.
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Cultural Dictionary
conception
Fertilization; the union of the sperm and ovum to form a zygote. (See reproductive systems.)
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Medical Dictionary
Main Entry: con·cep·tion
Pronunciation: k&n-'sep-sh&n
Function: noun
1 a : the process of becoming pregnant involvingfertilization or implantation or both b : EMBRYO, FETUS
2 a : the capacity, function, or process of forming or understanding ideas or abstractions or their symbols b : a general idea
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conception con·cep·tion (kən-sěp'shən)
n.
The act of forming a general idea or notion.
The formation of a viable zygote by the union of a spermatozoon and an ovum; fertilization.
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Yes, report it NevermindIf abortion doesn't take the life of an innocent human being, than no justification is necessary. Go ahead and have an abortion. It would be no different than having out your appendix. Why come up with all kinds of reasons like privacy, choice, etc.
However, if abortion does take the life of an innocent human being, than no justification is adequate. So, the real question hinges on "What is the unborn".
It's clear from science that a living thing is created at the moment of conception, and it is equally clear that the living thing inside the mother is a unique human being in an early stage of life.
Our value as humans is not based on our size, level of development, environment or degree of dependency. Abortion kills an innocent, unborn human person, so it is wrong, period.
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Yes, report it NevermindSo do you define conception as fertilization or implantation?
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Yes, report it NevermindErik: Conception is when the sperm and egg come together successfully. Are you fishing again as to whether I would be okay with birth control, since there is a potential for that to cause a fertilized egg to not implant in some cases. I would avoid using birth control for that reason.
Erik, please take the side of life on this issue. If does not need to be something you and Christians have to divide over. Yet, you want to make this point, just to score points. If you value human persons at any stage of development (zygote, fetus, pre-born baby, baby, toddler, child, teenager, adult), then put your energy toward stopping the killing of so many innocent, unborn children.
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Yes, report it NevermindI think it's a rather important point to make, don't you, RickY? Since so many good Christian women are killing their pre-born children with birth control pills.
I wonder how many million little ones die of this every year. And yet no one ever speaks out about this except for the Mary-worshipers. Shouldn't every Christian church be educating young women about the murderous side effects of "birth" control pill (which are really fetus control pills)? Or is that too inconvenient for most Christians?
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Yes, report it NevermindErik, Is your comment meant to show that you care about the babies or is it solely to put down Christians? You are awfully assuming to think you know the form of birth control that Christians use. Why limit your discussion to only women? You could also consider how many babies are not born because condoms are used, etc. Poor Erik, you are so desperate to make Christians look bad. Why do you have such a disdain for Christians? And for women? Do you think men have no part in the decisions regarding birth control? People are praying for you.
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Yes, report it NevermindIn fact Erik, it is Christians that care and are praying for you. You know, those people you like to mock and make fun of. Kind of like people did to Jesus, remember? Nothing much has changed...and no I'm not going back and forth with you on conception as it is obvious from your comment you only want to be sarcastic. Moving on....
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Yes, report it NevermindIn all my time in Southern Baptist and Pentecostal churches I've never heard ONE WORD spoken against birth control pills. NOT ONCE. This is despite the fact that any woman who is on birth control pills for an extended period of time is statistically likely to have had at least one "conception" that she would never even notice. If you really believe that abortion is murder, how can you go on this way? It doesn't seem right to me.
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Yes, report it NevermindErik, I thought about it, and your point has merit, and it is good that you bring it up in this forum. I don't think you are bringing it for the right reasons. I think you are trying to say that Christians are being hypocritical for not mentioning birth control pills as a potential problem. It is a classic ad hominem attack that atheists love to employ.
Of course, your point assumes that those fighting against abortion even know about this. Why do you know about it? Because you immerse yourself in information from sources that are meant to find ways to make Christians look bad for the positions they hold. Why do I know this? Only because I have to deal with stuff like this from atheists. Why didn't you hear about it in church? Because they didn't know either. I would say almost no one in the general public does
I have heard that what you say may be correct. I don't know all of the science behind it, but for that reason my wife and I would not use birth control pills if there is a chance that they could cause a conceived embryo to implant. I would fully expect that many who are strongly for the right to life for the unborn would feel the same way if they knew this was an issue. Maybe your post here is shedding some light on that subject for Christians that read these devotions.
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Yes, report it NevermindErik, Again you are assuming that you know the form of birth control Christians use. Perhaps earlier in your life when you considered yourself to be a Christian, you and your mate experienced the failure of birth control pills and had to choose whether or not to have the baby. I can see that if that happened to be the case this issue would have great relevance to you. Also, in your mention of the numerous churches you have attended, it would still probably be a small percentage of them all so you are assuming you know what all the pastors have said about this topic. I think that if you were a Christian and approached people with this issue of concern that it would be taken seriously, however with people knowing your background on this site and how you treat the Christians at times, it is hard to believe that you sincerely care about the issue in any other way than to use it to attack Christians. One other thing to mention is that the doctors or clinics that prescribe birth control pills may not go into all the details about the statistics that you mentioned therefore a certain portion of the population is probably unaware of what the pills can do. That is a factor that probably filters in also. Anyway, when you become a believer in Jesus as Lord and Savior you will be given a worthy platform from which to let people know your feelings about this issue in a much more productive way. May God speed your acceptance of Jesus.